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« on: June 23, 2008, 10:02:06 AM »

Are all our eeePC users here sticking with the OS that came with it (be it Windows or Xandros) or using alternatives? and if so which ones and why?

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2008, 11:45:47 AM »

Sticking with Xandros for now but might switch to PuppyEEE at some point.

The reason being in terms of an office on the move Xandros pretty much gives me all I need and I can run Lamp and Python, which is good for development snippets.

I wouldn't put Windows XP on it because it will take up too much battery power, it's entirely unnecessary.

I might move to PuppyEEE when my Linux experience grows and I am really looking for even more efficiency. One of the problems with Xandros is it is too hard for novices to add and remove programs that are outside it's distro. It is probably the biggest weakness of Linux per se and is something that might well hold wider adoption.

Out and about when I need a computing the power the Asus EEE out of the box gives me almost all I need (except a backlight).
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2008, 04:48:22 PM »

Hi Stu,

Thanks for that. I had updated Xandros a couple of times and it meant it started calling devices like cards D: and E:, which was bad enough.
But in doing this they also broke the facility for making items on USB keys or sdcards executable.

Currently tweaking an ubuntu install......its nice to have a c compiler again :-)

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 09:57:20 AM »

I think Xandros is letting itself down on the update side. I tried a bios update and it was a disaster. Had to reset to factory settings.

This is a poor show for the Asus EEE distro, apparently the bios updates are to be avoided.

So now I am only update actually applications rather than the bios or OS.

The bad PR for Asus is that is adds credibility to the argument that Windows is better. I think updates and installs are the area that really holds linux back at the moment. If they can crack that (and it is done the Mac, another 'nix) then we have a real contender.

I am not a Linux expert and didn't get the Asus to become one. So for now I am happy enough.

Let us know how you get on with Ubuntu on the EEE.

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Stu
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 09:25:54 AM »

Hi Stu,

(note Some of this veers off topic, if you are a diehard windows fan, suggest you read no further...)

The update that finally convinced me to drop xandros did two things....It called cards and usb devices D: and E: presumably to make it easier for Windows users who got confused by not having drive letters and removing the ability to run applications from cards/USB.

Linux/Windows General
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Ive been a Windows user for a long time, however for me Vista + dealing with a large document in Word was the final push I needed to look elsewhere. On the desktop I now run Linux but still have windows inside Virtualbox, mainly to run IE to configure certain makes of brain dead comms equipment.

I have managed to extract most of my data/documents etc from proprietary formats into cross platform friendly text or XML form.  Which is weird as it feels like you are getting your data back :-)

Its only after a few weeks using Ubuntu that you start to notice how bad the user experience and stability of windows actually is. (I would have to say hardware support for things like webcams is still a bit shakey, thanks to the manufacturers of such devices!)

I have a Windows partition still , mainly for when I want to do dev work relating to Windows/WinMob + hardware.

Ubuntu on the eeePC.....
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We had experimented here on one of our other eeePCs for a while and it seemed ok. Tried 7.10 and had a few problems with the camera. Now on 8 (Hardy) and all seems ok. Standard repositories to use , a wealth of applications to choose from, the support of a large community.

There are good instructions out there are on how to tweak the settings. In some cases you may to have to edit a text file, which for many of the point and click generation looks difficult, but thats an artifact of how we get de-skilled by things like windows...... (no doubt I'll attract criticism for not believing the world should be all point and click as well)

For the time being for schools I suspect Xandros is the better option just for the simplified interface. However if someone produced a nice similar front end for other distro's.......


Jon




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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2008, 04:49:04 PM »

Well looks like I will have to spend a little more Linuxing up, but for now I will stick with Xandros as I am put my techie time into other areas.

As we've ventured into the political world of OS' I make the point that I think you also allude to - about locked away data. I almost feel like when reading the point you make about XML and linux that a light was switching on!!

I've never been anti-Microsoft. The proprietary model has some distinct advantages but it's seduction of users who end up locked into systems because of the over-the-top approach of making sure everything only works well with one system is locking the user out of the future development of the Web.

...and that is my problem with the proprietary model. The inability to truly value interoperability as a competitive advantage!
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2008, 10:51:38 AM »

Are all our eeePC users here sticking with the OS that came with it (be it Windows or Xandros) or using alternatives? and if so which ones and why?

Sticking wth Xandros as it "does what it says on the tin".

May change the OS at some point in order to lock it down, as if you know what you are doing it, it's a pretty open OS.

Some of our learners who have their own EeePC have installed Windows on there machines, in the main they said because they use Windows at college or at home.

James
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