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andyb
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« on: November 27, 2005, 07:29:31 PM »

Hi all

I was lucky enough to meet up with some forum members F2F earlier in the week. Jon Trinder, Andy Ramsden and we discussed how the forum had grown and how great the conference last month was.

But the issue of how many people post versus how many people read. Now I am new at the handheld lark my main experience has been pc based e learning but I have contributed to the forum.

I and others would be interested in others views and contributions theirs loads of experience and ideas out they’re let share it!! Or am I just sounding of (if so sorry).

I’ve got an interest in British sign language and am currently looking at putting a 1500 BSL glossary onto PDA .

So anybody working with PDA's with Deaf community or those learning to sign .

It’s great to lurk and learn but it’s also pretty cool  Cool  to contribute. Take care

 Grin Grin Grin Grin

Andy
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« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2005, 04:05:37 PM »

It's great to see that this thread has had 54 views and no replies!!

I'd suggest that one of the benefits of being involved in an online community is the very fact that you can observe different converstations and get involved in only those that you have particular interest in/expertise in.  And it's a real joy that this forum is a mixture of people with technical expertise and educationalists (and those in between Grin) - so that different threads inspire different people to react.  For example, I'm not really going to get involved in a discussion about technical issues of a PDA - but I'm benefiting from observing that thread.

The question is how much more I benefit from shaping the conversation by being a part of it, rather than just observing it.
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2005, 08:36:07 PM »

Well at least you replied Thanks Dan. No seriously I in my work for Becta contribute to a very active list around Further Education college staff involved around e learning and though as always (and quite legitimately) a lot of people don't post a vast range of people do. I wonder if communities on-line survive and thrive over the years that more people post as a percentage of members of the community .

I am fascinated by the role of how something like the Frappr map see last item on user menu on the left allows us to see who we are corresponding with. Even if its an avatar or a graphic anyhow feel free to lurk but if you feel the urge to post go on be a devil.


Completely repsect Dans comment that you only pick up and post stuff you feel happy with !

Andy  Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2005, 12:10:37 AM »

Has anybody noticed that Dan's frappr pic is a VW Camper?

You know what Malcolm McLaren said...

 Grin
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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2005, 03:34:27 PM »

Has anybody noticed that Dan's frappr pic is a VW Camper?

You know what Malcolm McLaren said...

 Grin

No go on Graham - what did Malcolm McLaren say? Huh

And I've got another one too - a split screen Graham - remind you of your youth? Grin Grin
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2005, 03:50:26 PM »

Well at least you replied Thanks Dan. No seriously I in my work for Becta contribute to a very active list around Further Education college staff involved around e learning and though as always (and quite legitimately) a lot of people don't post a vast range of people do. I wonder if communities on-line survive and thrive over the years that more people post as a percentage of members of the community .

I am fascinated by the role of how something like the Frappr map see last item on user menu on the left allows us to see who we are corresponding with. Even if its an avatar or a graphic anyhow feel free to lurk but if you feel the urge to post go on be a devil.


Completely repsect Dans comment that you only pick up and post stuff you feel happy with !

Andy  Grin Grin Grin

There's quite a lot being written about online presence - and of course mobile presence - the way in which we demonstrate our ability and willingness to communicate.  I'm not sure about the effect that lurkers have upon community development but of course, one of elearning's greatest strength is being able to allow learners to access information and resources in their own way - and observing a conversation or choosing to join it is a good example of this.

I guess the questions are more around - how do we best encourage people to become active members of communities; how can we support lurkers to ensure they benefit from community involvment and what methods are there for displaying online presence that are not text-based? - (for example how can lurkers leave a mark to represent their use of a thread, their understanding of a thread or their benefit from a thread without being involved in its construction)

Now, where did I put that sleeping smurf avatar... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2005, 04:58:07 PM »

Has anybody noticed that Dan's frappr pic is a VW Camper?

You know what Malcolm McLaren said...

 Grin


No go on Graham - what did Malcolm McLaren say? Huh

And I've got another one too - a split screen Graham - remind you of your youth? Grin Grin


Ouch! the impudence of youth Cheesy

fair enough though Dan!

Malcolm McLaren is oft quoted as saying "Never Trust A Hippy" but I believe that this was originally a quote from 70's cut & paste brit-artist Jamie Reid which became a song which became a sleeve.



Yup showing my age! 

Apologies for disrupting this thread Shocked

I'll get my coat... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2005, 10:54:36 PM »


There's quite a lot being written about online presence - and of course mobile presence - the way in which we demonstrate our ability and willingness to communicate.  I'm not sure about the effect that lurkers have upon community development but of course, one of elearning's greatest strength is being able to allow learners to access information and resources in their own way - and observing a conversation or choosing to join it is a good example of this.

I guess the questions are more around - how do we best encourage people to become active members of communities; how can we support lurkers to ensure they benefit from community involvement and what methods are there for displaying online presence that are not text-based? - (for example how can lurkers leave a mark to represent their use of a thread, their understanding of a thread or their benefit from a thread without being involved in its construction)

Now, where did I put that sleeping smurf avatar... Roll Eyes


This is an interesting point given that as administrator of the site I have access to all the site traffic metrix (how much, where from, when, etc) and from this data it's clear that we have many more visitors (many regular) who have not registered and can therefore not post. I'm assuming that this indicates some distrust in the registering process most likely caused by the confusion caused in the media about 'not revealing your email address' as method of reducing spam. Although we have gone to lengths to assure prospective members of the lack of spam from this site and that they can even set their identity and email address to be private even to other members.

There are many things we could easily add to this forum that would allow users to participate without posting such as peer review, i.e. this post was useful y/n? etc. However, I'd be concerned to provide this facility to non-members as it extends a culture of taking without giving back and a potential for abuse even though we have only seldomly been troubled by Internet Trolls. I'm not sure we would want to allow random guest/anonymous postings but would welcome other members views on this subject.

So there's a question of how to encourage existing readers to register as members of our community and then encouraging them and existing members to participate.

The site is officially one year old in about a weeks time and we have nearly 400 members which is pretty exciting but, of course, it would be great to see even more discussion on the boards. An argument is that of time, i.e. people are too busy.  But in my almost perpetual state of travel to meet people to discuss handheld and mobile technologies in learning it seems that a lot of questions asked and discussed are either on here already or could be discussed here thus saving a lot of time which is one of the objectives of attempting to set up this forum to create a resource. The other objective is to create a social network.

Andy's question "Is Lurking Learning?" is an important one because I sense that people still have a sense of guilt if they're caught surfing the web even for work related activities especially if it involves participating in a social forum such as this one.

And it's not even the same colour scheme as Ebay!

p.s. An area that does get a lot of activity/participation from non-signed up members that have been using the site (i.e. they have read visited other parts of the site beforehand) is the Games area - all the high scores are from non-members Smiley
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2005, 03:45:37 PM »

I lurk a lot. I visit everyday, just about, and hit the "show unread posts..." link, and read them. I don't usually feel that I've enough time to gather up my thoughts to say something worthwhile, but my thoughts are pretty consistently provoked, and I really value this site. Thanks to everyone who takes the time to write responses.
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« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2005, 09:36:16 AM »

I lurk allot, too.  I read forum threads, and blogs, where I know nothing at all about the topic, but come away having picked up an idea, or a new thought, or awareness of a whole new world.  If "we are learing all the time" then lurking is definitely in.

As for lurkers joining the forum, our school firewall makes that impossible now, and many people have no other internet access....
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2006, 05:25:50 PM »

IMHO,  lurking is learning!  Its time-consuming and a slow learning process though.  I made use of the search engine within the discussion forum to check on topics before posing a question which had already been answered  by other contributors or included in the Forum's FAQ (if any). 

However, as some newbies may need answers or solutions urgently in an emergency situation, the kindness of forum members to respond spontaneously and graciously to save him time would be acknowledged with gratitude.  The forum  will eventually evolve to become a community of helpful people who care and share...to learn and teach; to teach and learn....
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2006, 09:38:39 AM »

Thinking about it some more, I would add that we "lurk" with all our "old" media - reading a newspaper (rather than writing for it), watching TV (rather than producing the shows), etc.  I think many of the kids in many of our classrooms are lurkers too - they sit and absorb, either because there is no alternative, or they are not inspired, or brave enough, to vociferously  engage in the "discussion" that is learning.
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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2006, 11:28:51 PM »

Thinking about it some more, I would add that we "lurk" with all our "old" media - ....

Very refreshing idea...good thinking!  It amazes me that we are referred to as "readers" or
"viewers" with the traditional media, not "lurkers".

BTW did you notice that Teach and Learn are mirror images?  Please take a  closer look  Grin
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