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Michael Wilkinson
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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2008, 05:47:36 PM »

Hi Stuart
Ok, seeing you point here...
The perceptions of how useful various digital technologies.

The digital divide is perhaps best described as those who do have effective access to ICT and the internet and those who dont, so age is a major factor but not restricted to that dimension. How do you feel about those who live in areas of deprevation who cannot access afford ICT's? I think the digital divide became more poularised as a means of giving schools more responsibility in ensuring students have effetcive access beyond the school gates. In fact this has been one of the driving factors behind the provision of mobile digital technologies as a means of providing 1:1 access within school put as a portal means of enabling access ourside the school. I think the impact of consumer electronics as Graham started discussing does geninuely support this provision - i.e. through digital TV, wireless provision through Ipod's, mobile phones etc.
Just more food for thought!
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« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2008, 04:23:58 PM »

Hi Michael

Well I take a broad view of education as I work in HE and FE and sometimes the schools sector, so I get a lot discussions about access to the hardware and issues. Utilising the devices to hand and that engage a learner at any level or any age has got to be advantageous from a learning outcomes point of view. Something I have been discussing for quite a while now is that as we move from projects to services with regards to mobile devices and learning we need to review funding. Most projects use one device for all. A model I've argued won't hold in HE. However, I am firm advocate of using the device the learner has and then using public money to give access to devices for those learners that cannot afford their own access. Now tied in with that are various views on how we should be addressing costs etc., which I suspect I'll be blogging on quite shortly.

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Stu
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2008, 03:16:27 PM »

Article in The Guardian by author Steven Berlin Johnson (Everything bad for you is Good, Ghostmap, etc) along the theme of Digital Natives and the decline of literacy:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/07/internet.literacy


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« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2008, 05:39:41 PM »

Very late in the day - and with some tangential thoughts...

Having been publicly criticised at an educational conference for racism for using the term Digital Native by someone who did not know about Prensky's work I am wary about any input under this heading.

But then I thought about the wonderful Douglas Adams' and his own earlier take in this area. ""Anything that's invented after you're 35 is against the natural order of things," said Adams. The very young, in contrast, aren't even aware of a natural order that's supposedly being violated. "Anything that's in the world when you're born is considered ordinary and normal." (http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/05/15/douglas_adams/index.html)

Now I could be equally accused of ageism  as well as racism - but pace Stu's earlier comment it is clear that Douglas' comment is equally simplistic and lacking in subtlety. But as with all crude stereotypes there is often some learning to be gained from these simplistic analyses - even if others need to finesse them later.

And Adams and Prensky are both engaging, thought provoking ... and god forbid, funny! So i hope people like them carry on with these bold statements.
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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2008, 03:25:35 PM »

...we live in dangerous times do we not? Where words carry so much weight and come back and bite your proverbial arse for a long long time.

I'm no real believer in censorship, Shakespeare is full of comment that would get him banned from most public platforms today (My fridge door is covered with his insults) and culture (note I am careful to make a claim to ownership here!) is poorer for the mood of the times.

I recently read Ben Elton's Blind Faith, which has much in common with with Adams satirical outlook. It's a very easy read and makes you think about how easy it is to say the wrong thing for all the right reasons and more importantly how the right thing is not allowed to be said. From a more heavyweight angle I am increasingly reminded of how the language of our times now reflects the 'newspeak' of Orwell's Big Brother (not the TV show Wink. Politicians and business leaders refuse to commit with passion. It's hard to imagine any speeches on a par with the quality and richness of description of  Churchill's or Ghandi's today for the increasing fear something wrong might be said.

A sorry place to be in.

It's well known on this forum I don't agree with Prensky's conclusion on Digital Immigrants and Natives but I am glad he had the chance to make them. They have made me think and argue my view and my own thoughts are clearer and my position stronger as a result.

As much as I love Douglas Adam's work and have enjoyed them in many mediums his 35 threshold comments irk me because they are defeatist and sad... but like Tony says they are also funny.

We all know people like who Adam's refers too but for me some are in their teens, twenties or forties and some find barriers to inquiry in some areas of life but never in others.

We often use the phrase 'learner engagement' but don't talk much about what it actually means. To be engaged, enthralled, captivated, a wonderful place to be in learning. Shouldn't we seek to be engaged throughout life? Isn't that what stops us falling behind?

I've wandered sorry...

Whenever we speak we search for metaphors and similes that help our points and let us connect with the audience. I don't think the Immigration Natives metaphor works, not because it is racist or ageist but because the conclusion doesn't work when thought out and picked apart. However, I think that Prensky's haunting soundbite is increasingly used in an ageist way where too many commentators make the wrong assumption that technology is beyond an age group simply because of the age.

On the racist point, no one seems to have said why it could be construed as racist. Prensky's metaphor seems to suggest that like the immigrant experience an older person has to adapt to Digital technology and the associated culture in the way an immigrant might chose to adapt to the culture of the land they move too. Immigration is a complex experience. I am the product of immigration on my mum's side, so I know first hand that for everyone the experience is different. I have also studied Social Anthropology and the sense of cultural identity we all carry is incredibly complex. It would perhaps be true to say there are times we are all immigrants and all natives.

I'll be bold and take the flak that might be coming. It's not racist to apply the immigration metaphor in this instance. It's a blunt use of a complex social situation so not necessarily well applied but that doesn't make it racist. It's more prejudicial to ignore these cultural events in our reflections. If we think about immigration in the terms of the prejudice shown in own field to older people and digital technology then in turn might that not hold up a mirror to society's treatment of immigrants?

As Tony says we need boldness and if I might add we need disagreement. We don't need disrespect or prejudice.

We also need eloquence. I am attending to many presentations devoid of inspiration and full of sterile neutral statements. Where ultimately nothing is said. It cripples thought and freezes progress. Lets not stay there..
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