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« on: December 16, 2004, 11:02:25 AM »

Hello

Sorry, I seem to be asking lots of questions on this forum!  Huh

I'm a bit confused over the difference's between Bluetooth networking and Wi-Fi. At first I thought that it you could only access the Internet with a PDA via Wi-Fi but someone told me that you could also do this with Bluetooth. So what's the difference and what's better?

Thanks for your help

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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2004, 09:13:46 AM »

Hi,

Bluetooths original purpose in life was to replace cables between devices. Suchs as between headsets and phones.
Its intended to be short distance and is not very fast. (750kbps ish)

WiFi comes in various flavours, most common is known as 802.11b and works at around 11Mbps, purpose to replace wired networks. Increasingly you will meet 802.11g which works ar around 54Mbps (in reality nearer 22Mbps).

Bluetooth and WiFi do operate around the same part of the frequency spectrum so can interfere, in practice Ive not had any problems myself but its worth knowing.

We mustnt forget good old reliable InfraRed, (aka IrDA), which uses light instead of radio frequency. Speeds up to around 16Mbps possible, but most commonly PDAs are 4mbps or most common 115Kbps. For a definitive explanation of flavours of infra red
see http://www.irda.org

IrDA and Bluetooth are somewhat similar in the use but each has advantages in different situtations
Theres a good article comparing Bluetooth and IrDA at
http://www.dpi.net.ir/pc/MobileComputing/articles/IrDA%20versus%20Bluetooth%20A%20Complementary%20Comparison.htm

Any of the above can be used to get internet access. I frequently use infra-red and bluetooth to connect to the internet using my phone and also via my desktop pc. Your internet enabled applications, mail/browsers/ftp etc dont care how the physical connection is made, so what works over one method eg WiFi should willl work over irDa/Bluetooth/Serial or whatever. (though some phones can be a bit weird and some networks restrict some services)

Out and about you are more likley to find WiFi access points in train stations, coffee shops etc.

For a more coherent and articulate comparison and explanation than mine take a look at
http://www.thetravelinsider.info/roadwarriorcontent/bluetooth.htm

I hope some of this helps....

best wishes

Jon.T

ps is there anyone else here?
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2004, 05:24:09 PM »

Hi

Ok thanks, I guess I'm wondering what is going to be easier for children to connect using a PDA so from what I'm gleaning from all this is that probably Wi-Fi is going to be the best solution in a school?

Simone

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2004, 06:42:48 AM »

I'm interested in the infra-red part of this conversation. We have some Alphasmarts in our school, which print directly to old HP BW laser printers with built in IrDA, but we can't find a similar product on the market now.  Has anyone had experience with the add-on IrDA "eyes" for printers?  Any experience printing from Palms straight to the printer with these "eyes"?
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2004, 10:33:15 PM »

I found some interesting links with regards to Wi-Fi add-on's for Palm and PPC handhelds:

Sandisk Wi-Fi SD Card - which is a small card which uses the SD slot on a Palm Zire 71 or PPCs that have an SDIO facility

A technical guide to Wi-Fi for Palm handhelds - quite thorough from availability to a how to set-up guide.

PalmOne's Wi-Fi SD card for Zire 72, T3 & T5

A review of the above - plus some good points about battery drain using Wi-Fi which should be a cause for concern for those hoping to use Wi-Fi enabled handhelds in schools.

An alternative self powered solution from Enfora

UK phone operators offer Wi-Fi PPCs





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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2004, 09:40:11 AM »

Dear Simon,

Not necessarily. You should think about ease of use and the network. For instance, what PDAs are the students going to use? I'd suggest that you use one which has inbuilt wireless or bluetooth. For instance, the new Palm OS wi-fi cards are great, you simply insert them into the top of the PDA. However, I'm in my thirties, but school children are more likely to break them or loose them. Therefore, inbuilt to the device is much simpler.

Secondly, what network have you at school? You need to check with the IT people to make sure what you get is compatible. Not all wi-fi PDAs can access all wireless networks.

I think the third question would be ... what are you planning on using them for? The web surfing experience is quite poor (small screens, sites/images don't display well, and access can be an issue). When I discuss web surfing with people I'm very careful to identify how they envisage it will be used, then see if the PDA approach is applicable.
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2004, 01:22:14 PM »

Hi!

Thanks for all the help and advice so far, it has certainly given me a lot to think about

I'm just doing research at the moment and not actually working with children so it's all a bit theoretical so far. My interest in Wi-Fi etc was really to do with accessing school networks and sharing information via a central network perhaps with some browsing of sites or intranets designed specially for PDA access. Early days though and I'm pleased this forum is here and that there are people willing to share ideas!

Happy New Year!

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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2005, 10:40:10 AM »

A case of having your cake and eating it methinks!  Smiley

There are several Bluetooth to Ethernet bridge products coming onto the market which means those with bluetooth enabled handhelds can get on the Wi-Fi tip without splashing out on new hardware (except the bridge!). This could be interesting for schools equiped with as set of Zire 72's for example or the various Windows Mobile devices that come already loaded with Bluetooth.

There's an article on msmobiles.com

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Nowadays several brilliant Pocket PC phones donīt have built-in Wi-Fi (aka Wireless LAN) but just built-in Bluetooth. Example: HTC Magician - the mini Pocket PC phone known also i-mate JAM, T-Mobile MDA Compact, O2 Xda II Mini, etc... This lack of Wi-Fi constitutes for many people major psychological hurdle because they would like to get this new fancy Pocket PC phone but at the same time they would like to browse Internet at home for free - with use of their Wi-Fi access point - that nowadays almost everybody has, as everybody has fixed Internet connection at home (like DSL or cable modem). This problem usually has been solved by using SDIO Wi-Fi cards, but using such card in Pocket PC phone is not optimal in most cases because then the only SD card slot in the Pocket PC phone cannot be used for memory cards!

Instead of using Wi-Fi through add-on card, there is another solution: using Bluetooth LAN access profile known also as PAN profile (Personal Area Network). To use Internet access over PAN profile a Bluetooth LAN access point is needed - a device that on one side connects to internal home network with help of Ethernet cable (and is working there are as DHCP client that is taking IP address from DHCP server) and on the other side makes Blueooth LAN acccess available. Usually such Bluetooth LAN access point can handle up to 7 devices at the same time - PDAs and notebooks, etc - however it is recommended to connect up to 3 at the maximum to achieve optimal performance.

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