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« on: March 01, 2007, 04:35:55 PM »

I am looking forward to the developments of mobile learning but I doubt it will be the PDA that forms the technological backbone to which teachers and students can enhance studies.

We are launching a new mobile learning solution in the market which should make the PDA a little underwhelming for all concerned.

Please feel free to go to our website and see what we have to offer :-  [http://www.remtech.com/busserv_mobile-learning.php]

If you compare the PDA to the S-XGen, it loses on all counts.  Technology, product lifecycle, software, 8 hour battery life, no PDA enhanced software patchs, four way video conference, backup, encrypted security and some other exciting applications to enhance pedagogy.  We provide the S-XGen on a 2year support contract so schools, EDA and students never have to concern themselves with their UMPC every again.

This is just my two pennies worth
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2007, 07:38:18 PM »

Is it the device that matters? I think most of the participants of this forum are interested in different ways of mobile learning and learning for the future. What will our kids need?

There will always be a 'better' / 'more appropriate' machine. But can we wait? When will there be THE most suitable mobile machine for the low achievers as well as the top learners.
I just can't spot the PENCIL for all learners. 21st century students are individuals who will need to renew their knowledge cycles several times during their life time.

But anyway I find this device very interesting - as another possibilty for mobile learning.

Petra

 
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2007, 08:16:04 PM »

Petra, as always a good point and the debate over the value of PDA's in education continues. This forum is about handheld or mobile learning, that is, how teaching practice or learning is affected by the use of mobile devices or the learner/teacher being mobile themselves.

That said, discussions over devices can be be fun especially when it brings out the nerd in me  Grin

As mentioned numerous times on this forum by several members, "PDA" is a convenient but a bit of a legacy term as devices that still fall under this category are far different from those of years ago that were intended for PIM functions.

I would suggest that there are three main types of mobile device; the handheld computer (Pocket PC, UMPC, etc), the game or media device (Nintendo DS, Sony PSP, iPod) and telephony devices. Of course, many of them provide some kind of access to the Internet via GSM, 3G or WiFi, some offer more possibilities for local interaction and content creation by the user rather than simply playback but inevitably manufacturers will attempt to blur the edges between these categories.

The S-XGen handheld is just one of those devices, it's a nifty PDA with a fold-out keyboard, hard disc and SIM card but it runs pretty much the same operating system as a PDA (in this case Windows CE) and therefore much of the same software (see video). The use of the term UMPC is a bit misleading as the S-XGen does not conform to the Microsoft/Intel UMPC spec as per devices such as the Samsung Q1 nor is it's QVGA screen anything like the 800 x 600 on UMPC devices (or VGA on most PDA's) but never-the-less an interesting device perhaps similar to the T-Mobile Ameo.

I wonder what the S-XGen sells for in the UK?

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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2007, 08:50:46 PM »

Hi Graham & Petra,
As you are aware there are many different devices available all portraying to be the latest best thing. I believe that the PDA is only the start of things to come.  UMPC's although more expensive in the short term off-set their expense by providing a wider scope for improving teaching and learning pedagogies - for longer.  The S-XGen, for example, has Windows Vista with MS Office as standard so the teacher and student can have a consistent education platform from the age of 10 through to university.

I do not profess to know all about mobile learning but the miniaturisation of technology will yet see more devices enter the market to stake their claim. This may well proove to be a double edged sword adding yet more applications and potentially improve student learning outcomes but I fear more technology will simply add more confusion as people struggle to standardise on common platforms. 

The danger from a supplier's perspective, as well as a educator's perspective, that struggling with standardisation poses will be providing a financial reward for the technology supplied and the lowering of Educational procurement budgets.

We provide the S-XGen and Origami 2 to go someway to mitigate that risk but not all suppliers can supply more than one device and likewise teachers cannot be expected to continually adapt their pedagogical techniques to suit the in-favour technology of the moment.

Just a quick thought
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2007, 09:12:47 PM »

Hi Warwick

Welcome to the forum Smiley

I take your points but I'm a bit confused that you say the S-XGen runs Vista.

According to your web site and indeed the manufacturers (Seamless Wi-Fi Inc) it runs Windows CE 5 and like other devices such as Pocket PC's that are built on Windows CE, i.e. Windows Mobile 5, the S-XGen runs Pocket Office thus remaining compatible, as you say, thru to larger screen format devices. This, of course, is handy but doesn't necessarilly have much to do with learning unless the task in hand is learning Microsoft Office.

Is there a new version of the S-XGen?
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 09:29:38 PM »

Thanks Graham.

I believe that the upgraded version with 30Gig HDD comes with an upgraded OS. I will check with Seamless and let you know.

I think I got confused as well.  I was meaning to discuss Vista being available on UMPC's like Origami.  Sorry. Trying to do 10 things at once with a brain that can only do 4 !! Roll Eyes

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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2007, 09:24:54 AM »

S-XGen Model ED3-6 SPECIFICATIONS
http://www.remtech.com/busserv_mobile-learning.php

ITEM   DESCRIPTION
Processor    Intel® PXA 270 Xscale TM - Speed : 520 MHz
   
System Memory     Hard Drive 20GB
                    256MB SDRAM  MMC Card with spring socket
   
Operating System    Microsoft® Windows® CE 5.0
   
 I/O Interface    IrDA
                     Battery Charging LED, Activity LED
                     USB 1.1(Client) for active sync
                    USB 2.0/OTG
    
   
Display                    4 inch TFT screen with backlight minimum 1/4 VGA
                    Transflective Touch Screen  with 470 x 280 resolution
                   Video Camera 1.3 Mega Pixels

Communications      WiFi compliant wireless LAN (IEEE 802.11 B)
                     Tri-Band Phone 900/1800/1900 MHz
                     Bluetooth enabled
                     Ethernet 100/10

AC Adapter                      120 – 240 VAC 50 - 60 Hz
   
Dimensions /Weight   (Aprox.) Length  6.5”  Height 3.8”  Width  1.25”  Weight  11oz
   
    

ACCESSORIES AND FEATURES
Windows® Mobile Pocket PC with Outlook, Word,  Excel and more
Fully Deployable / Removable “QWERTY” Keyboard
High capacity lithium rechargeable batteries, for 8 hrs use
Mono Microphone, Stereo Jack
Four way Video Conference facility
Encrypted peer-to-peer connectivity

Buttons: 
Cursor, MP3 player, Power, Game, Reset
Stereo Speakers (internal)
Stereo Jack
Stylus
    
Available APRIL 2007   
   

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2007, 10:22:08 PM »

OK so this is a PDA not a UMPC - isn't it irritating when you get reams of marketing puff and then find that a trawl through the specification is necessary to find what's really on offer?!

Anyways, hardware is important despite Petra's valid points. Secondary students currently suffer a curriculum that puts an enormous emphasis on text and the Bristol project's experience so far has shown that students really need keyboard input. One of the schools is buying a batch of soft roll-up keyboards that the Loox 720 will connect to through the supplied USB socket - we'll see how good they are in practice soon.

This S-XGen is interesting to me despite the misleading marketing mainly because of the keyboard which looks to be implemented well and also because it has a camera, though only a 1.3 megapixel one. Whether the fact that it also has GSM phone capability is an advantage or disadvantage depends on your perspective.

I'm convinced that a built-in camera is a necessity for student handhelds. There's something about having a camera with both still and video capability that really fires the imagination of both teachers and taught. For example, in one of the Bristol secondary schools three teachers have recently started to innovation with PDAs off their own bat - and all three involved using the camera, for process recording in two cases (art and performing arts) and thirdly for recording aspects of the school environment for annotation and comment.

Also key to this is the full integration of the camera with all other PDA functions - a separate camera, though possibly of higher resolution and cheap - just doesn't measure up. And the slot-in type on CF cards are a) not constantly with you, b) not going to be supplied to all students and c) going to get broken as they stick out and are vulnerable.

So - without having seen one, I give the S-XGen a tentative welcome.

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2007, 11:12:54 PM »

I concur with David's analysis.  This is *not* a UMPC, which, by definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-Mobile_PC), should have a number of features this device clearly does not (e.g. a minimum resolution of 800x480px, or the ability to install and run any application designed for Windows XP).  By most industry definitions, this would be classified as a PDA, albeit a highly specified model with some features I haven't previously seen in a PDA, such as a 10/100 Ethernet port.

I can certainly see some potential in this mobile device.  It covers most of the essentials, although the support for only the (very slow) wireless 802.11b, rather than the faster 802.11g standard, seems a little short-sighted.  Certainly the camera, audio recording, and other tools for construction of knowledge seem useful for a learning device, but can be found in other competitive (and competitively priced) PDAs.

However, some of the specifications that I'm particularly enthused about include its "peer-to-peer" capability, which would have enormous significance for resource and knowledge sharing between learners in a socially constructivist pedagogical context; and likewise, the four-way video-conferencing capability.  Although there are software means of implementing these capabilities on other PDAs, I haven't seen these as standard capability in any other PDA I've reviewed thus far, and I'd be very interested to find out how effectively these devices support these functions.

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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2007, 11:52:49 PM »

Lets put a  S-XGen UMPC Article with some very interesting points in to the pot:

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/8420/1103/

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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2007, 11:09:53 AM »

Leonard adds some interesting insights into the SX-Gen's capabilities and of course, it's up to us as educators to prioritise and exploit these. Most of us will be glad that "sharing between learners in a socially constructivist pedagogical context" can happen - though I'd be content if students just talked to each other about what they're doing ;-)

Blackthing links us to another useful analysis but one that's too hung up IMHO on the limitations of Windows Mobile - though if the price quoted translates into £1400 in the UK as we'd expect the thing will be dead on arrival.

Things like price and battery life are utterly critical to schools - much more so than functionality even - so there I go prioritising. However, one aspect of functionality I'd applaud in this device is the array of ports. Silicon keyboards can be attached to the Loox 720's USB port for under £10 making USB a real gift on that particular PDA. I've just woken up to the USB, RJ45 Ethernet as well as Infra-Red and SD card slots on the SX-Gen which take this one's networking capability beyond the commonplace.

The best thing about this is that the mobile market is hotting-up again. One day someone will get the right device - and if this is timed for the point when the market matures (probably 2-3 yrs away) they could make some money. And others of us could do even more important things like light-up some kids' lives.

David

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2007, 05:25:10 PM »

I concur David.

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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2007, 10:21:19 PM »

As I sit here posting my comments on my Nokia N770, I would like to say that the learning hubs project will very possibly be testing the S-XGen in one of our five pilots kicking off in Bonnie Scotland in August. Of course we will have to give it a golly good beasting first of all to see if it passes the test. So PDA\UMPC good/bad we will let you know.  www.learninghubs.co.uk
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