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The cost has gone down and the value has gone up.
RedHalo Pro Edition now comes with 25Gb per learner of ultra-secure storage backed up everyday and now costs just £1 per Gb per year. That's £25 per account, a reduction of 30% from the original £35 while storage has increased by 500%.
Every RedHalo account comes with the tools needed to manage and facilitate any mobile learning environment or project and includes a superb integrated application suite* for Windows Mobile, XP or Vista (UMPC) with a proven learning pedigree to get you started. Training also available in London, Cambridge or on-site.
*application suite includes Inspiration**, Opera, PhatPad (advanced animation and sketching), Pocket Painter, Photo Explorer, Calligrapher, Red Media Composer, RedFlipper and RedActivity - the most advanced project-based learning environment. For more information about this bundle visit:
http://www.redhalo.com/applications.html
**Inspiration for Windows Mobile only available from RedHalo.
For further information on RedHalo see
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Please contact me if you have any questions or would like to have a demo
hezron@redhalo.com
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I'm really interested in this platform but there are some doubts:
is it possible to install the halo content server in a private position? As an extreme example: if I'm an italian institution I don't want to rely on a foreign server with all the implication for the privacy. Oky the datas must be ultra encrypted and safely stored, but sill I want them on my "proximity". Decentralizing the server will remove the hd space limit and also bandwidth requirment of your servers. although I guess the halo server manages the key licensing system .. but there are eventually other ways to keep the software licensed
The software suite is pretty general and of course it could be useful for elementary and maybe middle school, but what about high schools or universities?
and this takes me to the next questions: is there any sdk to be released to extend the redhalo features and integrate with the core business functions of the institutions using it?
Moreover how many devices\platform is going to be supported?
JavaMobile, PalmOS, Symbian?
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Some interesting questions which I'll attempt to answer.
By way of background, RedHalo has been and continues to be developed with a number of things in mind:
- learner mobility (learner rather than device centric)
- learner ownership of their work and other data
- mobility of learners work and data
- access anytime, anywhere, on anything
- interoperability with 3rd party and other web applications
- server-side media conversion (future-proofing learner portfolio)
- teacher management tools
- web 2.0
Although there is an independent
server option
available to use in the manner you describe this largely defeats much of the benefit afforded by its intended design.
One of the benefits of your Yahoo!/Flickr/Facebook/Googlemail/Youtube/etc accounts is that you can access this information wherever and whenever you happen to be and largely on most web-enabled devices. The principle behind RedHalo is the same. The account should be owned by the student rather than the establishment, although, granted, we are some way from achieving this goal. This raises an important point, who owns learning?
I made an attempting at touching on some of these questions (unrelated to RedHalo) here:
http://www.handheldlearning.co.uk/content/view/44/1/
25Gb is hardly a limitation for online especially when it is also being backed up every single day! By the time 25Gb becomes a limit it won't be
In regards to security/secrecy of data the servers used by RedHalo are based in one of the most secure and reliable facilities in Europe at
The Bunker
protected under European data protection laws.
Many learning systems expect the student to store their learning within a school or university system which is fine until the student leaves the establishment or changes school etc. In a digital world, how does the student maintain an autobiographical memory of self in the way that previous generations did simply using a box containing all their paper based work and achievements?
Regarding the software bundle, I think it has probably been presented on the RedHalo site for a school audience but as you say the applications are general; Opera, Phatpad, Inspiration, Calligrapher, Painter, RedActivity are all suitable for use within a higher education environment where students are using WM based devices. But given that they are free to keep with the first years sub including all updates, even if you use a couple of them it ain't that bad and still cheaper than a Flickr Pro account!
The SDK is a really interesting question and I'm pleased to say that, yes, we will be releasing the API's into the public domain. In fact a version of these API's are already being tested as part of the Becta supported e-scape 3 project reported
here
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Any device with a browser can access a RedHalo account and future device clients (for auto-backup, application install, restore) are planned. We are also looking at the possibility of introducing a layer of RedHalo as open source so that developers can create their own clients.
Hope this helps!
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Oky a quick reply:
a non UK educational organization, for policy\privacy reasons, will likely reject to have his data (even if ultra encrypted and safety stored) in a different geographical zone. As far as I know this apply to France, Italy and Germany with .edu and .gov institutions.
As an extreme case: what happen in case of war?
I'm personally against:
social networks: facebooks,myspace, bebo
GOOGLE
Their are just a big data mining and marketing tool.
Talking about serious things: having stored your educational data and clinical records in an centralized way is appetitive.
Now let's forget about the business (RedHalo) and think about what we already have.
My university which has really a basic IT support, store my university records: exams, certificates and so on.
I can access them by web and print certificates, this is already an example of a rough digital educational store.
Now what is the cost for them to improve the service and add more feature?
Like exams notifications, application forms, self assessment and so on. I mean everything is there but nobody is pushing it to the right direction. It's a little step but institutions don't want to do it.
Also the university where I'm studying now: they installed the moodle after a long time of discussion (Jont knows) when moodle is free!
Coming back to RedHalo, yes the key point for the business will be the integration API and also the open source specification for the clients.
Another weak point (actually) is that the cost of the devices to be suitable with RedHalo: that means decent screen size + battery autonomy + decent os platform are still high, and for a public school is not really affordable.
So the RedHalo client is basically a browser of the services exposed on the server side by web2.0?
Or is going to be used an XML schema to be tailored for handheld devices?
P.S.
About the concept of "possession".
One of the father of Taoism said to his student: "how can you pretend to control your mind when you even don't have the control of your body?"
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May 27, 2008, 12:48:07 PM »
Hi Paolo
Before responding I was thoughtful of an old comedy sketch from Monty Python which I dug up from YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/v/k3HaRFBSq9k&rel=0
I must confess to being somewhat at a loss to present a case to someone who is opposed to principles of web 2.0 (that facilitated the development of much of what is great about the web right now) and believes that the cost of devices are too expensive.
There's certainly some debate to be had on those subjects alone but perhaps in a separate thread so as not to "threadjack" this one.
I'd summarise however by saying that RedHalo and indeed this forum is principally about learning first and how learning and teaching practice maybe dramatically improved by the use of mobile or ubiquitous technologies.
You may be against social network systems, media sharing networks, Google, Yahoo!, etc but the fact remains that this is the world in which the majority of web users and therefore learners inhabit. Many users of such systems have become adept at creating their own social pages, uploading and sharing video, accessing and storing their private email on free storage systems (wherever they may be!). I would say that these are very serious things! Looking ahead, wouldn't it be sensible to embrace this growing skill-set and allow learners to evidence their learning in similar ways rather than attempt to force them to use legacy learning platforms and VLE's that simply place technology over decaying teaching practice?
In terms of devices, although there are some clients (for Windows Mobile/XP/Vista) that permit scheduled back-up, restore and application install/uninstall functions a learner can access their RedHalo account using an device with a web browser. This includes ubiquitous game consoles such as PSP's, Nintendo Wii's and PS3's which are relatively inexpensive. Accounts can also be accessed via ultra low cost laptops such as the EEE PC as well as the range of low cost MID devices appearing later this year. One things for sure, device prices are falling and many are already free.
So no, RedHalo isn't simply a browser for services exposed on the server side. It is to a learners collection of digital artefacts, that evidence their path of learning, to what Flickr is to their personal collection of photo's.
We've never had a problem with any of the international users of RedHalo about where their data is stored. I'm not sure that we're planning a war in Europe anytime soon and our storage facility is deliberately outside of London (unlike many educational data warehouses) and in a bunker 30 metres below the ground to prevent the possibility of loss. The Internet, of course, was intended to maintain communication in the event of war.
The release of the API's and open source layer will be interesting as here we want to see what people such as yourself might come up with. Often it's usually the things that you didn't imagine the technology would be used for that demonstrates innovation. Our original intention was to build a foundation platform that would recognise a world of heterogeneous devices that constantly change during a learners life.
Who can tell what kind of devices that a child entering primary school this Autumn will be using when they leave university in 15 years time? But one thing certain in my mind is that the learner should still be able to access any of their digital learning artefacts and take it with them wherever they go.
When I was speaking of ownership it wasn't in the Taoist sense rather I was referring one of the principle tenets of constructivist learning. Having said that, I did enjoy your quote!
Cheers!
Graham
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May 27, 2008, 04:21:54 PM »
Nice to see some discussion on the forums....
My main problem with Web 2.0 is the way the term gets tagged on the end of so many presentations :-) it is so often the last bullet point on a PowerPoint slide
I find things like Facebook irritating due to adverts, but useful to keep in loose contact with people. Its success is that it
enables people to communicate, so rather like sms we couldnt really have foreseen how successful it would be until it was in place.
A problem of new technologies, users cannot articulate the needs they dont know they have. (I think thats a Donald Norman quote but not certain, along with the "Unexpected consequences of technology always outweigh the expected ones")
Anyway RedHalo, wheres this sdk and can we play with it to hook into other things.... can this all interact nicely with the various eportfolio "things" out there. Theres growing interest in the eportfolio side with mahara as it works well with the vle that rhymes with poodle.... so something allowing exchange with that may have a use?
(Is it possible to install a development version of redhalo server ... I suspect getting documentation and providing support would be prohibitive, and thats ignoring rogues who set up their own services...But for developers it may be handy... )
OK, Ive said web 2.0 and portfolios,just need to mention virtual worlds and thats a minimal buzzword compliant posting :-)
Jon
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Quote from: jont on May 27, 2008, 04:21:54 PM
Nice to see some discussion on the forums....
Agreed!
Quote from: jont on May 27, 2008, 04:21:54 PM
My main problem with Web 2.0 is the way the term gets tagged on the end of so many presentations :-) it is so often the last bullet point on a PowerPoint slide
There was a thread recently about the use of the "web 2.0" term (the thread was also related to digital divide issues) on one of the Becta research lists to which I replied:
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Whilst agreeing that the term "Web 2.0" has been often incorrectly bandied around by marketing departments thus creating confusion, the term, if used correctly, is useful in distinguishing the distinct periods of development that the use of the web has gone through in its relatively short existence.
Applied to learning and teaching I would suggest the distinction between Web 1.0 and Web 2.0 may be even more important. To give an example, a lot of work and research was put into specification and development of web-based VLE's (especially in the UK). The problem here is that the length of time it took to perform this work, combined with various commercial interests, was out of pace with the speed at which things were developing on the Web. So the spec for tendering was years out of date when it was published. The result is that many, possibly the majority, of these VLE's are very Web 1.0, meaning that they adopt a "push" mentality to learning whereas most learners now using the web and other interactive media expect (demand?) the "pull" approach afforded by most Web 2.0 applications. One only has to look at the proliferation of social networks, virtual worlds, gaming, video sharing, pod-casting, etc to see that perhaps the real "Digital Divide" is between learners and existing teaching practices. So many of the current VLE's (including Moodle) are busy trying to bolt on plug-in's to make themselves more "Web 2.0" like but it's the basic concept of the VLE that, in my opinion, is 180 degrees wrong. :-)
The VLE's that came out of the Web 1.0 era are just another example of the "technological guano" that has been layered on top of old teaching practices rather than embracing technologies for transformational improvements and real access to bridge divides.
It will be interesting to see the direction in which the Home Access project goes. Early indications suggest yet another round of legacy technologies such as laptops whereas many learners, even in less affluent circumstances, already have access to powerful mobile and gaming devices that are Internet enabled. Assuming provision of connectivity, then the adoption of modern Web 2.0 programming techniques will mean that web based applications will work gracefully across all platforms rather than the current scenario that demands specific levels of hardware. Interestingly these technologies are often touted by hardware suppliers and managed service providers themselves.
Quote from: jont on May 27, 2008, 04:21:54 PM
I find things like Facebook irritating due to adverts, but useful to keep in loose contact with people. Its success is that it
enables people to communicate, so rather like sms we couldnt really have foreseen how successful it would be until it was in place.
Yes, it's called commerce. Most people now expect things, even very powerful and important things to be available for free (at point of use) on the web. But the reality is that someone has to pay for the freeness and that often tends to be advertisers or other organisations that want to reach certain audience profiles. It's why, for example, some university students get scholarships to go to uni paid for by the
RAF
and why such a practice will continue until universities or schools, etc and their staff provide their service's for free.
I do think things are improving however and the use and placement of advertising is getting smarter. Do people really mind getting a few text adverts after a Google search? Not, if they're relevant and discrete. Likewise I think Facebook is a big improvement on MySpace in the way it handles advertising.
Quote from: jont on May 27, 2008, 04:21:54 PM
A problem of new technologies, users cannot articulate the needs they dont know they have. (I think thats a Donald Norman quote but not certain, along with the "Unexpected consequences of technology always outweigh the expected ones")
Good point, I think that RedHalo is a good case of solving a problem before people realise they have one and learners start demanding their copyrighted material to be extracted from sharepoint databases
Quote from: jont on May 27, 2008, 04:21:54 PM
Anyway RedHalo, wheres this sdk and can we play with it to hook into other things.... can this all interact nicely with the various eportfolio "things" out there. Theres growing interest in the eportfolio side with mahara as it works well with the vle that rhymes with poodle.... so something allowing exchange with that may have a use?
As previously mentioned we have a version working and being tested by nearly 300 students as part of e-scape 3. In this case the API's are being put to good use with TAG's MAPS e-portfolio system. So we would expect to release the API's on a beta program in the next few months, maybe sooner to those with interesting projects
Quote from: jont on May 27, 2008, 04:21:54 PM
(Is it possible to install a development version of redhalo server ... I suspect getting documentation and providing support would be prohibitive, and thats ignoring rogues who set up their own services...But for developers it may be handy... )
Forget it!
Although we might set-up a developers area.
Quote from: jont on May 27, 2008, 04:21:54 PM
OK, Ive said web 2.0 and portfolios,just need to mention virtual worlds and thats a minimal buzzword compliant posting :-)
Jon
hehehe!
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Humm I want to clarify my position before we end up on the "complain room".
I like the web2.0 concept but I don't like the social networks as a way to build up the knowledge (constructivism?).
As you said in some previous posts, in internet is missing the identification of individuals (how we identify ourself on the internet ?) but also the trust of the information source (how we trust an information source?).
Information trust is linked to the identity: we know that the website of Reuters is trustable because is Reuters.
Now let's see the wikipedia case: everybody can write anything!
Oky maybe the self-correction property intrinsic in the system will provide something but how can we measure the rielability? Is like a massive random peer review!
I'm not against RedHalo, but the thing is that from the website information I can't fully understand all the specifications. I will not be convinced untill I don't try it.
Is it possible to have a time trial account?
I don't use flicker so I will give it a try.
As jon stressed social networks are a good thing but they are not going on the right way.
I was reading some paper about how the information is clustered and information is mutated according to the memetic theory in a social netowork and well false belief are very easily to spread . I don't want to start now an accademical discussion and I really hope that the model is flawed.
I'm doing a price list of the possible redhalo devices.
Nintendo DS: $129.99
Sony PSP value pack: $190
well true is not too bad.
For example eBooks are a great things you can cut down the price but I have read some physiological studies that shows that the speed of reading is affected.
P.S.
Sorry about the stress on the device price but my family wasn't so rich, I almost bought my book with educational funding.
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Quote from: epokh on May 27, 2008, 07:00:31 PM
Humm I want to clarify my position before we end up on the "complain room".
, it's good to have some discussion so no worries there!
Quote from: epokh on May 27, 2008, 07:00:31 PM
I'm not against RedHalo, but the thing is that from the website information I can't fully understand all the specifications. I will not be convinced untill I don't try it.
Is it possible to have a time trial account?
The standard
platform edition
of RedHalo is FREE, only the Pro edition has a fee attached. You can download an entire trial version for Windows Mobile, XP or Vista from the
site
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For or against, no problem for us. It's been a useful research, development and incubation project intended to assist the development of the sector. What people do with it will be interesting.
Quote from: epokh on May 27, 2008, 07:00:31 PM
I was reading some paper about how the information is clustered and information is mutated according to the memetic theory in a social netowork and well false belief are very easily to spread .
Religion, springs to mind here... (apologies for offending anybody!)
Quote from: epokh on May 27, 2008, 07:00:31 PM
For example eBooks are a great things you can cut down the price but I have read some physiological studies that shows that the speed of reading is affected.
There are over 17,000 free e-books on
http://www.gutenberg.org/
and a quick Google around and you'll find many other sites too. RedHalo (the free edition) is a great way of easily distributing these e-books to a variety of devices
Quote from: epokh on May 27, 2008, 07:00:31 PM
P.S.
Sorry about the stress on the device price but my family wasn't so rich, I almost bought my book with educational funding.
No need for apology, a lot of our work was inspired by digital divides from West Africa to Peckham and beyond...
Cheers
G
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Sweet.
Is there any plan to make a porting for penguin users?
I use windows in VirtuaBox environment so I can test it but never underestimate the penguin community.
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Yes, the team in Cambridge is working on a Linux client but, of course, there are many flavours.
By migrating to an open source model there maybe opportunities for interested parties such as yourself to develop their own clients.
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O coooool! A+!
Hope to see you in london.
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